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Posted - 2012.06.25 09:20:00 -
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They will lose the goods currently lost. That will be it.
CCP will let them off other than that.
Goons will ***** and moan but none will leave.
Way too light a punishment for what they have done and then rubbed CCP's face in it. But it will be all they do.
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Posted - 2012.06.25 09:51:00 -
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Signal11th wrote:Graic Gabtar wrote:Signal11th wrote:Humm I'm failing to see where I made any kind of prediction in that post?
I'm sure if you were to one to profit from this your mouth wouldn't be flapping like a flag in the wind so much! So you're tipping who will do what now?  Here's a tip then as you so obviously want one. "Nothing will happen" People can scream and cry and hit the floor as much as they want trying to whip up yet another shitstorm but really.... comeon where is the problem with what they did? Christ I'm all for taking the moral high-ground but even myself I suspect would have done exactly the same thing.
Yeah that would look good after CCP Sreegs said:
"I find it disturbing that you think you could exploit a system to print money and crash markets and we'd just be like "Oh haha those cards".
We haven't punished anyone to date. We haven't even decided if we will but boy howdy are we well within our rights to do so and I'm just astounded that I even have to explain that."
Do you honestly believe nothing will happen?
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Posted - 2012.06.25 10:07:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Do you honestly believe nothing will happen? why should anything happen?.
You mean besides the fact that they had their faces rubbed in it on General Discussion and to do nothing after that would not make it appear CCP is just a Goonswarm dog, it would be a cold hard fact.
These guys blatantly broke the rules and then bragged about it publicly. CCP has to act or it just means that its fair game on any errors they make in following patches with this one used as a precedent of "Hell you let Goons get away with it, why not me?"
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Posted - 2012.06.25 10:18:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Dave stark wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Do you honestly believe nothing will happen? why should anything happen?. You mean besides the fact that they had their faces rubbed in it on General Discussion and to do nothing after that would not make it appear CCP is just a Goonswarm dog, it would be a cold hard fact. These guys blatantly broke the rules and then bragged about it publicly. CCP has to act or it just means that its fair game on any errors they make in following patches with this one used as a precedent of "Hell you let Goons get away with it, why not me?" they broke no rules what so ever, and then published it to be listened to since their previous views on the potential for exploitation fell on deaf ears. it is fair game on any error CCP makes as any one was able to do this, except only they did. not to mention, the system was intended to work this way, the numbers were just a bit off. just because you weren't a part of it you're acting like the kid that got picked last in the football team so you want to go home, with the football.
No I was not part of it. I have enough brains to know that exploiting a known and reported bug is an idea only a moron would touch.
And yes look at the rules they have been posted everywhere in the forums, they broke the rules.
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Posted - 2012.06.25 10:31:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:
considering the entire system worked exactly as it was designed to work....
If that were true they wouldn't have had to patch it or launch a security investigation now would they?
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Posted - 2012.06.25 10:39:00 -
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Constable Chang wrote:Marconus Orion wrote:Graic Gabtar wrote:Will CCP blink? Will GS unsub on mass? Goonswarm and their fan base quitting in mass will be a slight hit on CCP's wallet, but the game as a whole will recover nicely and be stronger than ever. Of course half of what I said is my opinion. In all honesty though, CCP could take all the items and perma ban the entire squad of guys who were involved in it and not a single goon would quit over it. After all, this game is all they have. Either you are being sarcastic or... you don't actually know anything about the Goons?
Well at least your not on world of warships yet. But only because it isn't finished.
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Posted - 2012.06.25 10:40:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Dave stark wrote:
considering the entire system worked exactly as it was designed to work....
If that were true they wouldn't have had to patch it or launch a security investigation now would they? well yes, because they got the sums wrong not because the system was broken.
But if it was working as intended that would mean they didn't get there sums wrong wouldn't it?
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Posted - 2012.06.25 10:44:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Dave stark wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Dave stark wrote:
considering the entire system worked exactly as it was designed to work....
If that were true they wouldn't have had to patch it or launch a security investigation now would they? well yes, because they got the sums wrong not because the system was broken. But if it was working as intended that would mean they didn't get there sums wrong wouldn't it? the system was intended to give you lp for killing things in FW, you got LP for killing things in FW. how is that broken?
As I said above, if it was working properly it would not be exploitable and require a patch now would it?
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Posted - 2012.06.25 10:51:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Frying Doom wrote:As I said above, if it was working properly it would not be exploitable and require a patch now would it? yet you've still failed to say why it wasn't working properly.
If it was working properly it would not need patching.
If you need to know why it wasn't working properly read some of the 200+ pages on this topic. I and alot of other people have repeatedly said why it wasn't working properly, or just look at the patches or CCP Dev's comments on the matter.
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Posted - 2012.06.25 11:08:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Dave stark wrote:Frying Doom wrote:As I said above, if it was working properly it would not be exploitable and require a patch now would it? yet you've still failed to say why it wasn't working properly. If it was working properly it would not need patching. If you need to know why it wasn't working properly read some of the 200+ pages on this topic. I and alot of other people have repeatedly said why it wasn't working properly, or just look at the patches or CCP Dev's comments on the matter. Or for that matter just look at the post that started it all. He very clearly describes what is wrong and why it was reported to CCP as a bug. i'm not sure you grasp the subtle difference between the fact that the system was doing what it was supposed to do, however it was the magnitude that was the issue. it's like a set of brakes on a car being very sharp. you touch them and the car stops; as intended. however if the sharp breaks cause the car to stop at such a rate the driver gets a cracked rib from the seatbelt as he's catapulted forward as the car stops there's clearly an issue. the breaks are working as intended; they're stopping the car. however they're working too well as the car is stopping too fast. just like the lp formula was handing out too much lp. the system was intended to give out lp, just not *that* much lp. do you understand the subtle difference? oh bugger it, ccp just need to hurry the hell up and decide one way or the other so we can all stop going around in circles. asteroid belts have respawned and now i have some thing better to do than go around in circles!
I agree a ruling would be nice (but they will take their time) it would save me having to say
A bug is a bug is a bug. Exploiting a known bug is against the rules and should be handled accordingly.
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Posted - 2012.06.25 11:19:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:
a bug implies there's an unexpected result to an action.
shoot ship, get lp. expected result to an action. *shrug*
Shoot own goods in ship, get rewarded more than you loose, unexpected action.*shrug*
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Posted - 2012.06.25 11:21:00 -
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Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:I think the Goons should be banned just for being dumb enough to mock CCP over it, it's like smoking weed then going up to your parents or the cops and bragging about it, then getting mad when they did not appreciate your genius for avoiding their attention.
Having seen this in RL with the stoner offering the cop a smoke. I must say the protests he made on getting arrested were as funny as hell.
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Posted - 2012.06.25 11:24:00 -
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Graic Gabtar wrote:Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:I think the Goons should be banned just for being dumb enough to mock CCP over it, it's like smoking weed then going up to your parents or the cops and bragging about it, then getting mad when they did not appreciate your genius for avoiding their attention. I don't know son. My father was a cop (god bless his bullet ridden soul) and if I went up and told him I was smoking dope he would demand some. My mother also once made me help her out with a recipe for hash cookies - true story.
What dirty back water do you live in Indonesia, Paraguay, The Sudan, The United States of America?
Where ever it is the police must not have much respect for the law.
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Posted - 2012.06.25 11:29:00 -
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Graic Gabtar wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Graic Gabtar wrote:Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:I think the Goons should be banned just for being dumb enough to mock CCP over it, it's like smoking weed then going up to your parents or the cops and bragging about it, then getting mad when they did not appreciate your genius for avoiding their attention. I don't know son. My father was a cop (god bless his bullet ridden soul) and if I went up and told him I was smoking dope he would demand some. My mother also once made me help her out with a recipe for hash cookies - true story. What dirty back water do you live in Indonesia, Paraguay, The Sudan, The United States of America? Where ever it is the police must not have much respect for the law. Law?
Well if you live in a country were it is legal that is a different matter, smoke away
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Posted - 2012.06.25 12:23:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:After all the exploits used and abused and nothing done like negawallet or assets taken. Hi, allow me to correct you on this aspect: assets were taken.
So, so far they have gotten off really lightly considering they broke multiple rules with a ban and permanent ban punishments.
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Posted - 2012.06.25 12:29:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:After all the exploits used and abused and nothing done like negawallet or assets taken. Hi, allow me to correct you on this aspect: assets were taken. So, so far they have gotten off really lightly considering they broke multiple rules with a ban and permanent ban punishments. being a goon doesn't get you banned hth
Well this will show that tbh. If Goonswarm members break this many rules with banable punishment and then don't get banned will at least make the rumor rule invalid.
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